RE: Meeting Notes: 30 May 2007

From: Ben Grodsky <>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:03:17 -0700

About the links you have at the bottom:

        FileSharingTalk - doesn't talk about specific providers at all. and the general consensus of the thread is that dedicated server providers can be found on to find good providers with required specs.
        TorrentTrader- doesn't talk about specific providers at all. and the article seems to say just that you can rent servers from places with certain bandwidth commitments -- this doesn't add any new info, AFAIK....

                        mentions "dedibox," which is a dedicated server company I tried using with Dylan for running an ed2k server. They dropped us w/o a refund after 1 week, when they started getting complaints about the spoofs. Others in this thread mention dedibox not being good for BT decoying at all and I definitely am black listed with them (it wasn't a pretty falling out when I tried to chase our refund, at first explaining that we did nothing illegal, and then finally owning up more specifically to what does).
                        leaseweb we have already used and their IPs have been burned by us and by MediaSentry. I'm not even sure what use leaseweb IPs are for anyone anymore, though illicit stuff still happens on their servers....

I'm pretty sure "seedboxes" is just what some people are calling these because they don't understand these are just dedicated servers run by companies with lax AUPs (acceptable use policy). I've dealt with dozens of dedicatd server companies and the BEST approach is to explain to them up front what MediaDefender is and does and to see whether they're willing to work with us on that -- that's basically what a couple of people in 2 of these threads are saying to do anyway. I have tried being hush hush about what the servers will be used for (referring to "software that requires a lot of bandwidth and IPs" or not mentioning the reason at all and just giving specs), but this approach ONLY lasts a couple of weeks and the overhead of finding these companies and setting up the servers does NOT generally justify doing this (and aside from this technique not being reliable, it definitely doesn't scale).

The basic problem we have getting good EU dedicated servers is the language barrier and the cost. Some parts of the world just have very expensive bandwidth because of their infrastructure -- Iran, Iraq, Israel, Spain, Portugal, most of South America and Australia are VERY expensive and I've tried several times dealing with different providers in each of these regions (10x-50x what we pay dedicated server places elsewhere). England and France do have some cheap bandwidth providers, so those regions work well sometimes -- the old QA servers, which now Leaks, Torrents and Dylan use are from one such provider in England.

So, if there are specific providers you hear about that you'd like me to look into, I can certainly do that. But "seedboxes" is quite a vague term and doesn't offer much direction for me where to find good servers.



From: Tabish Hasan
Sent: Thu 31-May-07 12:02
To: Ben Ebert; Ben Grodsky; Pedro Cortez; torrents
Subject: RE: Meeting Notes: 30 May 2007

They're called Seedboxes.

I haven't found "specific boxes" but I brought it up yesterday as an avenue we can take to help seed our torrents, especially since our internal IPs are blocked on some sites like piratebay and demonoid. I heard about them a while back.

It's basically a dedicated server that has high bandwidth capacity, which we can use to seed. It's not CPU/IP/RAM intensive. It's like using your own computer to seed using utorrent, but instead you would use a dedicated server that stays on all the time, is based in EU (so less legal issues), and has much higher bandwidth capacity than most home connections.

And instead of utorrent, we could use the program I mentioned yesterday, torrentflux, which allows users to FTP/SSH into a linux server and seed using config files and commands. No Windows needed.

We could probably get 1 dedicated server w/ 8 IPs, and have all our torrents start with at least 8 seeds or more.

Here's some threads about them:


-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Ebert
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:13 PM
To: Ben Grodsky; Pedro Cortez; torrents; Tabish Hasan
Subject: RE: Meeting Notes: 30 May 2007

These are specific boxes that Tabish has seen, I'll ask him to coordinate with you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Grodsky
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:11 PM
To: Pedro Cortez; torrents
Subject: Re: Meeting Notes: 30 May 2007

Pedro or Herden,

What are the specs/requirements for these EU seeder boxes?

Cpu intense? IP intense? Ram intense? Bandwidth intense?


----- Original Message -----
From: Pedro Cortez
To: torrents
Sent: Wed May 30 16:57:04 2007
Subject: Meeting Notes: 30 May 2007

Here are today's meeting notes. If I have missed anything, please revise accordingly and send it around again.

* High Priority set for "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer" (to Torrents).

        * Use High Quality trailers for old school decoys before it leaks.
        * Use Chop n Screwed, Audio-Only, Re-Encoded (pixilated), and Old School Decoys prior to leak.
        * Post decoys to Fox posting sites.
        * Send posted links to Mark.

* Continue to work with Steve to resolve issues for the Modem Pool (to Torrents).

* Issues with the Hash Checker will be brought upon Dylan's return.

* Emphasize postings for the following projects (to Torrents)

        * "Spiderman 3"
        * Include the abbreviations (NIN) in the filenames for the project Nine Inch Nails.
        * Balance the time spent in creating Chop n Screwed movie files, Regular and 90% decoys (for now, more Regular and 90% decoys)..
        * Use Chop n Screw method for new selected UMG project for the first two weeks.

* Obtain new seeder machines.

        * Option 1: Tabish to inform Grodsky in obtaining seed boxes from Euro-dedicated servers.
        * Option 2: Seed from home personal machines.
        * Option 3: Use QA's dedicated servers.

* Gerald to collaborate with new dev-hire in getting our BT tracker up and running.

Pedro Cortez

MediaDefender, Inc.
Received on Fri Sep 14 2007 - 10:55:54 BST

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